Monday, August 07, 2006

Neturei Karta is NOT a religious organization

Neturei Karta self-represents as an authentic version of "orthodox" Judaism.
It is also so virulently anti-Zionist that they will publicly protest with arabs, muslims, palestinians, etc., and call for the "dismantling" of Israel.

The problem with this is that there is a law in Judaism that prohibits the desecration of the Sabbath. One of the prohibited things to do is to carry non-essential items in a public place on the Sabbath. Yet, that is exactly what they have done. And, in their stupidity, they have included proof of this on their website.

July 22, 2006 is a Saturday. Saturday, during the daytime is the Jewish Sabbath. Yet, on the Neturei Karta website the following appears:

Proof that Neturei Karta are not Orthodox Jews


Blogger puggsthegrey said...

difficult to count, but at best, they had maybe 8 protesters?


take ten million people of any group, and you can find 8 of them to denounce their own people.
Even as these guys do, in the vilest terms. Zionism equals murder? There was a name for they ones in the camps who saved themselves by helping the guards, for the life of me, I can't remember it, but it would apply well here I think.

11:39 PM  
Blogger puggsthegrey said...

please forgive the typo's, my eyes aren't as clear as they once were, and the letters blur abit for me.

11:40 PM  
Blogger Shayne said...

Well, I suppose it's possible that they are using an eruv.

I don't completely agree with your assessment. That would mean the ultra-orthodox in Mea Shearim are not religious because they throw rocks at passing cars on Shabbos.

I agree that they are breaking Shabbos, and that in of itself is problematic, but there are worse things a Jew can do besides carrying on Shabbos.

For example, I don't always say all the prayers each morning. Sometimes, I skip quite a bit because I simply have no time. Is that wrong, yeah I suppose it is. Does that mean I'm nullified from being an orthodox Jew? Of course not.

These Neturei Karta loons are a lot of things, but I don't thing "not-religious" is one of those things.

On the other hand, they are in violation of spreading loshon hara and incitement against fellow Jews. That, to me is a better criticism.

11:20 AM  
Blogger Izzy said...

Times Square does not have an eruv.

Meah Shearim is within the walled city of Jerusalem, and therefore does not require an eruv. Thus, the rock throwers are not "carrying" on Shabbos. But, unless they planned before Shabbos on which rocks they were going to throw, they then have a problem with muktzah. Also, one may not destroy something for a reason on Shabbos. Thus, they are wrong on many, many levels. (Including "you can attract more bees with honey rather than vinegar".

The question of NKs being part of Orthodoxy is another issue. I could say that davening three times a day would be a necessary requirement. Not rock throwing could be another. But, I would be wrong.

The thing that has kept the Jews is how they keep Shabbos. By not keeping Shabbos, NK has shown they care more for the destruction of the State of Israel than they do for Israel's G-d. Thus, I would deem them outside of Orthodox (or Traditional) Judaism.

9:56 PM  

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